AX2R BTCC Warnings & Penalties

The opening round provided some great racing, but also it came some poor driving standards throughout the field. With plenty of incidents the stewards have been busy and their decisions are as follows:


Round 1 - Race 1 


- Sh1ft Away - push to pass manoeuvre, gaining a place as a result against Earni. 5 second penalty applied. Incident here
- ORB Danzilla - reckless driving against Earni. Driver warning Incident here
- WeaponMrT - incident involving Earni & Sh1ft Away. Deemed racing incident by stewards. All drivers advised to give more room in such close racing conditions. Incident here

Round 1 - Race 2

- BMR Corkey - causing an accident by reckless driving against Sh1ft Away. 10 second penalty. Due to DNF this will result in a 5 place grid drop for the next round available Incident here
- ORB Danzilla - careless driving against NiteMare UK, also against MEX Platinum and repeated corner cutting noted. Second driver warning
- MEX Platinum - careless driving against ORB Danzilla  in retaliation for previous move by him. No action taken but noted.
- ZeroNoteHero - push to pass manoeuvre against MEX Platinum. 5 second penalty applied. Incident here
- SVR Birchy7 - dangerous driving resulting in ZerNotHero hitting a barrier and taken out of contention. 20 second penalty applied. Incident here
- MEX Platinum - reckless driving against Mikeee and MEX Aric gaining 2 places. 5 second penalty. Due to DNF this will result in a 5 place grid drop for the next round available. Incident here
- MtG Sweater - careless driving against SVR Birchy7. No places gained. Driver warning given. Incident here

Round 1 - Race 3

- MtG Sweater - causing his own accident at the start of the race by moving across too far on SVR Insanity. Incident here
- SVR Insanity - causing an accident resulting in loss of positions for NothelleN340. Driver warning
- SVR Birchy7 & MtG Stug77 - accident causing safety car. Both drivers to be aware of others around them and to give space. Stewards felt both equally culpable in this incident. Incident here and also here
- ORB Danzilla - causing a collision with WeaponMrT in a yellow flag area, without slowing at all, also causing a collision with SVR Birchy7 under safety car conditions resulting in damage to an opponents car. 5 and 10 second penalties applied (15 in total) and third driver warning resulting in 5 place grid drop at the next round available.
- NiteMare UK - causing an incident with ZeroNotHero. Places lost as a result. No further action taken. Incident here
- ORB Woody - push to pass on SCT Stats, no place gained as driver slowed to give the place back. No further action. Incident here
- Sonic Trogg - causing an accident with MRT Stug77 under safety car conditions, 10 second penalty applied. Incident here
- Earni - causing an accident whilst driving backwards on the track. Instant disqualification from the whole round. Incident here

All incidents above have been added to the final time sheets and the latest scores reflect these changes.



Could all drivers please be aware, when 2 cars lock together it is up to the DRIVER BEHIND to take action to prevent the incident progressing. To do this most effectively simply:

- BRAKE
- RELEASE ACCELERATOR
- TURN AWAY from the other car

Taking the steps above may not end great for yourself but it would give both cars a chance to avoid any further damage with a wall/barrier and will result in no/fewer penalties being applied. By keep turning into the back of your competitor, as the following car it will be deemed your mistake/action which caused the incident.

Several warnings after the Sebring Full round


Round 2 - Race 1

ORB THE ROADHOG - driver warning for driving with undue care resulting in a collision
Earni - driver warning for driving with undue care resulting in a collision with MRT Stug77. 1 penalty point resulting in 5 place grid drop at the next round
Earni - causing an accident by reckless driving against MRT Stug77. 10 second penalty applied and 1 driver warning applied (now on 4)
Nitemare - push to pass manoeuvre against ZeroNotHero and gaining a place. 5 second penalty
Nitemare - causing an accident by reckless driving against ORB THE ROADHOG. 10 second penalty applied and 1 driver warning
ORB THE ROADHOG - push to pass manoeuvre against Nitemare and gaining a place. 5 second penalty


Round 2 - Race 3

Earni - causing an accident by reckless driving against MtG Sweater and NothelleN340. 10 second penalty applied and 1 driver warning applied (now on 5) Incident Here
Earni - causing an accident by reckless driving against SVR Bradders. 10 second penalty applied and 1 driver warning applied (now on 6) resulting in back of the grid for the next race.
Nitemare - reckless driving against NothelleN340. 5 place grid drop to be applied at the next round due to DNF



For the next race the following penalties will apply if the drivers show:
Earni - back of the grid start for Race 1
BMR Corkey - 5 place grid drop carried forward from Round 1
MEX Aric - 5 place grid drop carried forward from Round 1
ORB Danzilla - 5 place grid drop carried forward from Round 1
Nitemare - 5 place grid drop from Round 2


If there are any incidents which are not listed above but you feel they should have been, then you should have send an Incident report in to us. You will find for the form further up the page. 

As only 1 person submitted an SI I can only presume the races were incident free for the most part, which is a good thing.


Round 3 - All races

SVR SparX - driver warning for improper conduct on a warm-up lap, continued to drive excessively close to cars ahead despite repeated warnings to leave more space.


Round 3 - Race 3

Weapon MrT80 - causing an incident with a reckless overtake manoeuvre on SVR Birchy7 & SVR Insanity, resulting in a 5 second penalty. Driver warning for unsafe re-entry to the track. Drops from P8 to P12


For the next race the following penalties will apply if the drivers show:  
BMR Corkey - 5 place grid drop carried forward from Round 1
MEX Aric - 5 place grid drop carried forward from Round 1  
Nitemare - 5 place grid drop from Round 2

If there are any incidents which are not listed above but you feel they should have been, then you should have sent an Incident report in to us. You will find for the form further up the page.

Warnings & penalties from Nürburgring GP, as there was only 1 SI submitted there are only a few issues to look into which were clear from the race

Round 4 - Race 1

Phill3345 - failure to adhere to warm up lap procedure and driving at full speed, overtaking half the grid and causing severe damage to another driver in the process on the line, luckly they were able to pit and retake their place on the grid. Two driver warnings

SCT Stats - crowding another driver off track by not leaving a cars width through Schumacher S. One driver warning 

ORB Woody - causing a deliberate collision with SCT Stats. This type of driving is not tolerated and results in a DSQ from Round 4 along with 2 penalty points resulting in a back of the grid start for the next race. A 3rd penalty point will result in a ban from the next round. All Disqualifications are ineligible towards dropped rounds

MRT Stug77 & MEX Platinum - whilst it was agreed with the stewards that no driver was fully responsible for this incident, View 1 and View 2, deeming it a racing incident as both drivers lines converged together with minimal contact (thanks Forza physics) there will be no further action on this. We would however like to remind all drivers to be more aware of their surroundings and to give a little space so as not to cause contact. It was also agreed that Stug's re-entry to the track could have been handled better with efforts to brake sooner, on the hard surface before travelling so far onto the grass resulting in further contact with 2 other cars causing damage and resultant pit stops. One driver warning for dangerous track re-entry.

3 driver warnings will result in 1 penalty point = 5 place grid drop.
6 driver warnings will result in 2 penalty points = back of the grid
9 driver warnings will result in 3 penalty points = race ban

We reserve the right to apply more or less warnings depending on the severity of the incident.


For the next race the following penalties will apply if the drivers show:

BMR Corkey - 5 place grid drop carried forward from Round 1 
Nitemare - 5 place grid drop from Round 2

ORB Woody - back of the grid from Round 4


If there are any incidents which are not listed above but you feel they should have been, then you should have sent an Incident report in to us. You will find for the form further up the page.

It seems we race with a majority of sadists!! Voting for Long Beach with this group? Are you crazy?

With a majority vote that’s where we are off to tonight for the racing. As it’s a street circuit logic says that the walls are the track limits, but there are a few places where the kerbs can be abused and also Forza logic is just plain stupid so here’s what’s acceptable

Turns 2 (the roundabout) and turn 5 must be Forza limits. 2 wheels on the track at all times, anyone going over the roundabout or cutting over the huge kerbing blisters at turn 5 will receive track limit warnings.

The rest of the track I’m perfectly fine with excessive kerbing being used. The run to turn 1 using the pit lane exit is ok to use too as is going beyond the track limit lines at turns6/7 (have you seen how ridiculous that track limit line is?). See below for what’s good ✅ and what’s not ❌

Qualifying will be 10 laps starting at 22:30 🇬🇧
Each race will be 15 laps aiming to start at 23:00 🇬🇧


For the next race the following penalties will apply if the drivers show:

BMR Corkey - 5 place grid drop carried forward from Round 1

Warnings & Penalties from Round 5 - Hockenheim Full


Round 5 - Race 1


GriffusMaximus - push to pass on SVR Brexit, gained a position and caused the loss of several for Brexit and did not stop. 5 second penalty applied 
CutMeMick - push to pass on Nothelle, gained a position plus caused the loss of several and did not stop. 5 second penalty applied
SVR Sparx/FoundedAbyss/CutMeMick - racing incident between these 3, both Sparx & Founded deemed to have been able to avoid this one by giving more space in such close quarters. No further action taken


Round 5 - Race 2

ORD Woody - deemed racing incident due to batteries failing. No further action taken 
CutMeMick - reckless driving causing an incident. One driver warning.
PTG Ducky - corner cutting and causing an avoidable incident  with GanzHanz. As no place was gained and instead lost out considerably no further action taken. One driver warning


Round 5 - Race 3

Ginger Whale - reckless driving causing an incident. One driver warning. It was noted that damage was sustained prior to this due to an unavoidable car spinning, but more care to be taken after sustaining damage like that
CutMeMick - push to pass on Nothelle, gained a position. 5 second penalty applied
ORB Danzilla/MRT Stug/Founded Abyss - lap 1 incident deemed a racing incident. All 3 drivers could have taken action to avoid this, Dan could have backed off sooner, Stug could have stayed out wide instead of closing back across the track and founded was going for a gap which quickly closed. No further action taken


If a driver slows and gives the place back then no further action will be taken in a "push to pass" incident. We understand contact happens sometimes through misjudgement or Forza physics coming in to play, but to gain a place unfairly causes frustration for the other driver. From this tensions can raise and the cycle continues of more and more aggressive driving, with incidents often escalating.

If people drive respectfully then more respect will be given back to you on track. Pushing and shoving your way through the pack only causes resentment and makes more people more likely to drive the same towards you when around them. All drivers keep this in mind when racing, I don't want to spend my free evenings looking through replays for incidents which can most usually be resolved on track or avoided completely.

The only grid penalties apply to BMR Corkey carried forward from Round 1. All others have been served and no new ones to add.

Round 6 - Race 1 Long Beach Full

ORB The Roadhog - two incidents of reckless driving. Incident 1 putting Earni into the wall and causing race ending damage along with significant damage to Nitemare in a secondary collision due to initial damage. Incident 2 putting CryptoFishBulb into the wall causing significant damage. 20 second penalty applied and 2 driver warnings. This takes it up to 3 resulting in 5 place grid drop for the next round attended.

GriffusMaximus - reckless driving resulting in a failed overtaking manoeuvre putting SCT Stats into the wall resulting in the loss of several positions. 10 second penalty and 1 driver warning.

Round 6 - Race 3

GriffusMaximus - unsafe re-entry back onto the track hitting 2 cars and resulting in race ending damage to one. 10 second penalty and 1 driver warning taking it up to 2. As a DNF occurred this will result in a 5 place grid drop for the next round.

Penalties to take at the next round:
BMR Corkey - 5 place grid drop from Round 1
ORB The Roadhog - 5 place grid drop from Round 6
GriffusMaximus - 5 place grid drop from Round 6

Votes are in for Round 7 and it’s a unanimous one for Watkins Glen Short (the one with the chicane).

As we all know this is a track with lots of run off areas which can be abused by some. I’m not one for imposing “Forza track limits” because for the most part the limits T10 have drawn on are utter shite, every race I’ve seen at the Glen be it IMSA, NASCAR, Indy Car or TCR, they all hop the kerbs around the track, just like you could on Forza 6.

So they’re the limits allowed, the kerbs are there to be used, you can get all 4 wheels on the vast majority of them which is a “dirty lap” ⚠️ but it’s all good with me. Go beyond the kerbs repeatedly and without backing off to lose time gained, and if you’re warned 3 times or more a time penalty will be coming your way.

I don’t want to be going through replays for track limit violations when we all know what they are, keep in mind how you’d like others to drive around yourself and don’t take the piss as I’d say the track limits are more than generous enough with the use of the kerbs.

Of course for qualifying clean laps trump dirty ones, so keep that in mind for practising and during qualifying. There’s about 0.5-0.7 seconds a lap difference between clean and dirty from the handful of laps I’ve just done

Apologies for the delays in posting these. There were quite a lot to deliberate and the course of action moving forwards from this event.

Warnings and penalties from Round 7 - Watkins Glen Short

R7-1
CutMeMick - Window tints. Please rectify for next weeks round or points will be removed. This is due to having ghosted qualifying, meaning those on cockpit/bonnet cam cannot see through your car.
CutMeMick - jump start. 10 second penalty. If a visible lift had been noted to not gain time then the penalty would not have been applied but there was not. Running deep and wide into T1 was not constituted as a viable lift due to a jump start.
CutMeMick - Driving with undue care whilst damaged causing an accident resulting in damage and loss of positions to SVR Twitch. 1 driver warning (now on 2 driver warnings)

R7-2
CutMeMick - multiple contact with MRT Stug77 resulting in a loss of control and contact with ORB Woody, ending with multiple losses of places and damage to both other cars. 1 driver warning and 10 second penalty (now on 3 warnings resulting in 5 place grid drop at the next round attended)
CutMeMick - Push to pass on GanzHanzCZ and gaining a place as a result. 5 second penalty
CutMeMick - second push to pass on GanzHanzCZ. This incident then led directly into the incident below. 5 second penalty applied

GanzHanzCZ - purposefully spinning out a competitor (CutMeMick) with admission of guilt to it. Disqualified from Race 2 and 2 driver warnings issued. This type of action will not be taken lightly and is not tolerated within the group, though given the build up to the incident it is understandable frustrations were there, but using the incident report forms means the stewards can deal with these incidents and not dealt with on track in such a way.

ORB Danzilla - reckless driving by hitting the back of QuickPup causing multiple loss of positions. Noted that he did stop and wait to give the place back losing multiple places and more time himself as a result. No further action to be taken because of this

R7-3
CutMeMick - push to pass on SVR Twitch. 5 second penalty.
CutMeMick - push to pass on ORB Danzilla. 5 second penalty.
CutMeMick - push to pass on WRT Jonesy and SVR Twitch in the same manoeuvre. 5 second penalty. Due to the amount of push to pass incidents it has been decided to add another driver warning resulting in 4 in total (6 warnings results in a back of the grid start). A push to pass is an incident in which a car is pushed wide due to contact and a place is gained unfairly as a result. If no place is gained there is no time penalty applied, if an effort is shown to show you acknowledge the mistake and a place(s) given back then no penalty will be applied. This sort of driving invites others to do the same resulting in overly aggressive driving, acts of retaliation and a lack of respect shown by others

ORB Woody - due to cars locking together going into the chicane an accident occurred. Noted that Woody did then stop to push the damaged car, QuickPup, back to the pits under safety car conditions. However, the deliberate handbrake turn in front of Sonic Trogg was unnecessary and thankfully no damage was caused to either car. Cautionary warning for the handbrake turn, a safer stop and turn around once the road was clear would have been better, but no further action for the racing incident with QuickPup, but no driver warnings given as a thanks for selflessly helping keep a damaged car in the race.



Penalties to take at the next round:
BMR Corkey - 5 place grid drop from Round 1
ORB The Roadhog - 5 place grid drop from Round 6
GriffusMaximus - 5 place grid drop from Round 6
CutMeMick - 5 place grid drop from Round 7